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Violent crimes in America have become an epidemic within the past decade or so, with more juvenile offenders taking to the streets, homicide and murder rates have skyrocketed, as science does their best to study the minds of America’s most horrific killers. Amanda Seaton would like to invite you to delve into the world of crime and forensics, as she provides an analysis of those violent crimes committed by juvenile offenders, mothers, husbands, room-mates, ex-football players, and one of the most famous sadistic serial killers of the 1970’s. The book explores the substantial problem the United States of America is facing with violent crimes, not just committed by adults, but juvenile offenders as well. VIOLENT CRIMES IN AMERICA: And The Forensic Disciplines Used To Solve Them-Amanda Seaton
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violent crimes not just committed by adults but juveniles offenders as well the book that we're profiling this evening is violent crimes in America and the forensic disciplines used to solve them with my special guest journalist and author Amanda Seaton welcome to the program and thank you for agreeing to this interview Amanda Seaton thank you for inviting me thank you very much very provocative book here let's get right to that without getting too much away maybe from maybe it's probably because of your background but I don't want to put words in your mouth tell us exactly why what compelled you to write this book at this time what brought you to the writing of violent crimes in America when I first enrolled into my bachelor's degree I had a strong interest in homeland security and throughout my studies I delved a little bit into the area of forensics that they had used in order to track down terrorists and/or solve the terrorist crimes that have taken place not just in America but across the world and with delving into the world of forensics it became rather interesting with all the unsolved murders and cases that have been going on more specifically in the past decade or so and so I decided that it would be interesting to obtain a master's in forensics and with starting the master's in forensics I realized that forensics is a very interesting category of science that is very young and a lot of it is very unknown misconceptions often occur and so I felt that by writing a book I would be able to portray some of those misconceptions in the reality behind forensics to make it easier for people to understand oh great ok well that's a great segue so let's let's get into exactly what forensic what you mean by when what's the definition of in your mind what forensic disciplines are and then tell us about just go through a couple of the myths that people really do believe that about forensics itself well I believe that forensic discipline is the application of science and opinion put together in order to create the outcome of various different testing in the applications that they would use in court some of the common misconceptions that are used are the CSI effect where victims and family members often believe that the police can solve a crime in an hour where realistically it can take weeks weeks months and years and sometimes I never solve it at all and the other one is the biggest one that I had was that they're not able to get DNA out of fire victims or victims that have been submerged in water so I felt that it was important to bring to the forefront that they are able to extract DNA from those types of victims now is there some hindrance is there some issue I mean I I have heard about the the water would destroy DNA or because of the composition so tell us tell us really what the truth is regarding DMA and being submerged or in water for like the time well the problem with the victim being submerged in water is you have the fear of fish and other sea creatures eating away as a soft tissue that would be needed in order to extract that DNA but they have found with finding victims and water that they are able to abstract it out of the bones themselves instead of leaving the typical soft tissue that one would typically find I see and what about what was the why did people believe I guess the serial killer might that might be a myth among serial killers as well that they just burn the body but what I had read was that it's not it's too low a temperature to destroy the body so again just what you said as long as there's bones then there's possibility of DNA regardless of fire exactly they had there was our case out in California of what they believed was caused by a group of gang members but they had cut the foot off of a teenager with a machete and they had Bernsen in the backyard and when police had located the flood they had they were actually able to extract DNA from the charred remains which ultimately led to them being able to identify the teenager now of course everyone's heard of DNA and deer and DNA is a godsend to police and prosecutors and and officials in law and security in every country but what are some of the other some of the other things that are involved in forensics of some of the other disciplines themselves not disciplines but some of the other will say skills that are involved in forensics well with forensics being such a wide area of science it really comes down to these special skills that the scientists and experts hold themselves such as you have a pathologist you have a biologist you have a psychologist and they are just simply a pathologist a biologist and a psychologist until it comes down to a crime and that's where the forensic actually comes into play that's where they use their expertise in order to basically say that the likelihood of this happening is great so biologists would for a botanist would study plants whereas a psychologist would study the mind of a criminal and see the likelihood of them actually being able to commit that crime now do we have issues in terms of again you say about the CSI effects everybody thinks in an hour that something gets solved and and that inevitably everything will get solved because they have these wonder kinds of science and these incredible labs my question is is with the budget constraints is every jurisdiction equipped with the kind of forensic abilities basically the the budget to be able to conduct forensic testing very much but very much like CSI but is that sort of considerate on these kinds of budgets for be able to have fully forensic testing that's necessary for all kinds of crimes that might warrant it money is definitely an issue especially when it comes to smaller towns such as the small town in Utah with a mother who had killed her seven children the states did not have the money nor the technology in order to test the DNA as the remains of the children found in the garage so they had to send the remains to the federal lab of the FBI in order to obtain DNA to try to figure out the cot the manner of desk um which is a huge problem with smaller crime labs smaller cities cities that have a lower budget so really that can cause cases to go cold cases to be unsolved and ultimately criminals walking three because they do not have the time energy money in the manpower that it takes to put the science behind the crimes and solve them so it's C so science and forensic testing and laboratories and those kinds of budgets are even more than just personnel would normally be an equipment exactly okay now you tell us about some of the cases that you decided to write about in your book and and tell us I'm I think the audience is interested in the this most sadistic serial killer of the 1970s who it is and why did you write about this particular serial killer what was it about their signature their characteristic about their crime itself their murder itself what was it that you wanted to convey what why did you pick this particular killer well America has seen hundreds of sadistic serial killers over the past 40 50 years but I felt that one of the most interesting to study would be Ted Bundy and it's not mainly because he was a serial killer it was the manner in which he committed his crimes and the excuses and or reasoning behind his crimes that he had used and that he was so forthcoming to explain during his interviews before his execution and in researching Bundy it interested me because he had stated that from a young age he had been addicted to violent pornographic images and he had an issue with his mother rejecting him throughout life he was rejected he was a failure in school and so he really went back on that violent pornographic material in order to gain some control back in his life which ultimately led to him killing dozens of women across America so we this is an issue where has come up in because there's been endless conversation about Ted Bundy and how forthcoming he actually was and why he was not forthcoming originally and a lot of people know about Ted Bundy this program we've done Kevin Sullivan examined Ted Bundy I first interviewed and rule who worked of course at the crisis hotline next door – next to Ted Bundy and it's great that the the revelations that he did have but I've what I had not issue but some people have issue with the drawing too much emphasis from that certainly he did view violent pornography and certainly a lot of serial killers would would say that same sort of thing but at the same time if you look at Ted Bundy and and the life that he was dealt he at a time when he was enjoying great success almost self-sabotage himself and considering the things that you know his mother telling me has adopt all these things and finding out the truth does it really still explain Ted Bundy and sorry for getting away from you with Ted Bundy but what did you really what could you really conclude from 10 bud 10 Bundy looking at the research that you did for this book well research find Ted Bundy obviously there was a lot of that a lot of people have their basic opinions on him including experts the bottom line is we do not know for sure whether or not the violent pornographic material and or were truly the cause of his violent crimes which could also be said about the drug and alcohol addiction that he claimed that he had he had but we can say that it definitely did have a play in his behavior and it may very well have been the cause of him committing his first crime but after committing that first crime he could have very well have just been controlled back into himself and he needed to keep feeding into that in order to keep feeling like he's in control since a good portion of his life he had not been yeah I mean there's always the argument though that people watch violent movies and and aren't violent or if they would be hard pressed to blame their violent behavior their murderous behavior on watching murderous movies because otherwise we have a I mean it would be never mind epidemic all the people there playing violent video games and watching violent movies I mean it's it's a sort of American pastime is almost now the murder comedy you know a light-hearted murder you know mystery or so it's I think there's something to be said that the desensitize being desensitized and being conditioned if somebody would look at violent child porn at a young age at least they'd believe that there's other people to think like they do is it a break from reality do they do they think that this actually occurs what still does not really explain Ted Bundy I mean over and beyond one external thing being the creator of that and I hate to argue about one thing creating this but I've looked at a lot of serial killers as well and and it I think everyone can say safely that given that they share certain characteristics despite that there's no real explaining how people have the capability to kill ten or twelve or eight or people in this kind of manner wouldn't you agree I do agree with you but I think the same thing could be said about you know Dahmer and Gacy Son of Sam all the way down to the Green River Killer they could sit there all day and say that they had addiction problems but millions of Americans and people all over the world suffer from addiction problems and they don't go on mass murder sprees right that's my point yeah there's something unique about and I think that's why people are so fascinated by people that not only serial killers I mean you don't have to kill a bunch of people to be you know to terrorize people like you say there are terrorists there people have traumatized people and they're never the same for the rest of their lives and your book is not just talking about murder and serial killing talking about violent crime and the trends that are there so what did you what did you see in terms of the most disturbing trend he's talked about murder rates skyrocketing from everything I've read they seem to be downplaying that violent crime is on or murder is down from traditionally say 1990 or so tell us what you did find the most disturbing trends in your research for this book the biggest trend that seems to be skyrocketing across America is violent crimes where juvenile offenders are the ones being blamed for it juveniles are taking away from the typical vandalism and stealing and they're committing horrific crimes such as rape murder all the way down to killing their own parents and their children and what's the trend in terms of are the perpetrators getting younger are the crimes more savage is it more a pack mentality gang linked mentality or of those in those trends as well I don't really quite think the gang mentality is too quite blind for this it is true the gang is still do exist and they are quite bad but in this case I I do believe they're getting younger children being accused of murder all the way down to the age of eight an example you have two 12 year olds and Waukesha Wisconsin who have just recently been arrested and charged with attempted murder for stabbing their friend 19 times because they were addicted to some cult behavior but again I do not believe that this was gang-related I just believe that parents are not involved from their children's life as much as they used to be they're not there for their kids like they used to be and juvenile – getting a common sense that committing these crimes are almost a way of showing who they are what they're capable of and they're not really taking into consideration the consequences of their actions yeah you talk about how we're talking about the juveniles also you have you did extensive research regarding juveniles and talked about the juvenile spends more time than the adult that there's been changes in the judicial system as well that have not helped the juvenile as well tell us a little bit more about all of the things or some of more of the things that you found in terms of what you went in here you you wouldn't have assumed any of this so tell us what you did really find regarding the differences now as previously with regarding juveniles well well the juvenile course was from being is known as it really is it's only roughly about 114 years old the differences in the penalty phase of the crimes they had committed has changed drastically since they went from reformed homes to placing juveniles in juvenile detention centers the problem that has been found with this is the juveniles do spend more time on average in a Correctional Facility than the adult counterparts such as a fourteen-year-old gets in trouble for raping a fellow high school student and they get placed in the juvenile detention center until the age of 21 where they had then moved to an adult prison where they will sit on average another four to six years before they were released on probation our adult counterpart can fit anywhere from no jail time at all with probation or supervision all the way up to a max of 25 years to life depending on the aggravating factor but six times out of ten the juvenile is going to spend at least three to five more years in prison than an adult that had committed the same crime and the programming that could possibly possibly rehabilitate someone that will say that could be rehabilitated based on community support and just getting to them I guess young right at least that's there are cases of this anyway and that's the idea but what about what's where is the programming goal is it is it prior to are prioritized towards the youth offender with the with the distinct reasoning behind that to intervene at this young age tell us about programming well through my research I have concluded that they do have rehabilitation programs for juveniles both within the juvenile detention center and correctional facilities and in the community but what they place the juveniles in the community rehabilitation programs it's more more the burden is put on the parents to the actual juvenile themselves whereas in the correctional facility the juvenile has to take responsibility for those actions and they must complete the rehabilitation program in order to be released you said – the judges have lost their discretionary abilities – wet – to have discretion on which juveniles would warrant in cases of murder and serious rape and robbery where they would be put up to adult court now what's that from is that some sort of a continuum of the mandatory minimum and restricted sort of uh sentencing that strict sentencing with guidelines tell us how that comes to be yeah the new truth and sentencing laws does allow judges in jurisdictions to sentence juveniles that have committed on crime such as serious rape aggravated assault murder and stuff like that we tried as an adult which then allows them to try them and sentence them to the max as opposed to where they're charged as an ahjumma they would sit so long at a juvenile facility and then they would be released back into the community where they would require undergoing treatment and rehabilitation services through the community what else do you did you find with your research with juveniles it was particularly disturbing I think the the biggest thing that was disturbing me through researching juveniles is the manner in which they are treated they are almost treated as an epidemic or a plague that's going through the court system that needs to be dealt with but they don't want to deal with it on the level of dealing with the child they just want to deal with it on the level of them committing the same crime as an adult without taking to regard the juveniles and more rehabilitative than adult part later on and I also think that with juveniles they have lost sense or track if you will of what to do with them because the crimes are getting more severe there a younger age and the really losing track of what punishment and/or rehabilitative services really work in order to prevent them from continuing on with their criminality later in life what have you concluded at least how would you address this what would you address first and how would you address it I am a big supporter of taking juveniles and looking at their circumstances and really going on a case-to-case basis I am a big supporter of maximum penalties for juveniles who have committed serious felonies such as murder and rape whereas I believe rehabilitation should really be at the forefront of juvenile punishment for lower-level crimes as opposed to just placing them within the correctional facility where I feel that they are not getting the help that they really deserve and/or need to prevent them from continuing on the same path that they were on when you talk about you talk about the disintegration of the family unit as well from previous where two people in a household to parents and not to say that that's you know there there are families that have split up amicably and there's they share the care of their kids but more often than not it's a more of a sad story of tragedy and broken homes and and and people affected negatively by this so you say this is a contributing factor to juvenile crime as well and if that is the case then you already have the disintegrating disappearing family unit and you have these people with these heinous crimes at a young age how then can those people be rehabilitated if they have to go then back into ideally back into a family unit back to high school back to school back in with their their family if there really wasn't any anyway so when realistically my question is how do you really address this is it really possible I mean how how would you again how would you address that and I think that's where the case the case basis really comes into play as these juveniles came from a broken home they don't have a support system they don't really have a family and they're not involved in the community then it's going to be next to impossible in order to rehabilitate them back into the community but on the flip side placing them into a Correctional Facility is going to be almost as dangerous as putting them back in the situation that they derived from to begin with and I think that's where the Child Protective Services and the state really comes into play because sometimes they are able to rehabilitate these juveniles into a situation where placing them into a subsequent home has actually proved to be beneficial however this does not happen 100% of the time but it has proven that juveniles can be rehabilitated into a new family as long as they are given the support system that they need not everybody as as much faith in it as other people but psychology and psychologists are a big part of the courts now and they're realizing their bigger part in society itself and and mental illness is shed a little bit of its stigma and there are a lot of people that are at least under some kind of doctors care for some kind of you know I hate to use the phrase mental illness so what about psychology what did you find in your research did you find anything there look into anything about organic brain disease or some of the causation of some of this did you did you see any what was the sort of some conclusions or something that you did see in terms of the psychology of this and and its effect in terms of rehabilitation possibly psychology really does come into play when we're talking about juvenile offenders and they're in the rehabilitative process one of the biggest problems is that juveniles do not receive the amount of mental excuse me behavioral health that they require whether it be because their parents do not notice their behavior they do not want to get involved or the juvenile just hides the behavior from those involved in their lives and because they don't receive the behavioral health that they require their behavior typically gets worse and as they go on they're not really sure how to handle it and so they take it out in a very negative way and the behavioral health problems that they can oftentimes suffer from is ADHD autism Asperger's conduct disorders schizophrenia borderline personality disorder and they can also suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder and a wide array of other widely undiagnosed juvenile behavioral health disorders such as bipolar and what's the solution there I mean medication and I mean really can I mean there's hardly enough psychologists to speak one-on-one with everyone let alone the troubled youth right exactly and the problem is at this point there really is no solution the only thing that we can do as parents and members of the community is we can make others aware of the growing mental health issues in juveniles and we could we can help them with recognizing the red flag for the warning signs that these juveniles oftentimes give out and help them so that they are able to will obtain the behavioral health services that they need in a timely manner to prevent her from getting worse I found it quite interesting too you don't hear this word too often maladaptive behavior if you could tell us what that really means I kind of have an idea but also I wanted to ask about how you well as interesting what you say about it almost seems like a division between the certain kids that are that have that strong family unit and direction and really aren't succumbing to a lot of the other things and haven't been subjected to a lot of the other things like divorce and violence and drug abuse alcohol abuse and worse and sexual and physical abuse that it you're almost it is almost sort of a cautionary tale in terms of that they will you say that kids will certainly encounter some kind of maladaptive behavior tell us a little bit about what how you talked about in the book about sort of this cautionary thing about what kids can expect out there well first it's important to understand what maladaptive behavior really is and essentially it is dysfunctional and non-productive behavior that one will engage in our number of reasons such as anxiety and other types such as depression um maladaptive behavior is typically anything that is not socially normal this can include attempting suicide sexual from promiscuous it can also include criminality and basically other forms of behavior that one would typically not see in children that come from well-adjusted homes and and so was I right in perceiving you sort of see of division between those people that have had this maiden generations of this sort of behavior sort of accepted to a certain extent and yeah the other people who have not even done even aware of it actually yeah um it is important also to remember that children that do come from well-adjusted homes that haven't dealt with divorce and crime abuse and stuff like that can engage in maladaptive behavior as well it is not solely seen in individuals who come from dysfunctional and broken homes no no no certainly not but it's just the the odds against you just become you know stack up a little bit more that's all exactly yeah that's the thing about true crime that people are really part of the horrifying aspect of it it is it is the boy next door it is the bill that great family and and that kid you thought really loved his parents or vice versa or a loving husband and wife and so one never knows that's what's the really shocking part of violent crime isn't it exactly now we didn't talk so much about forensic disciplines but what do you see on the horizon is truly one of the more it seems that DNA is progressing again they used to be able to not have be able to take DNA from sources like they are today they're using smaller and smaller samples and be able to get DNA from sources 25 or 30 years or long past where they thought they might get something from that but other than the DNA developments and if there are some developments in DNA that did you did find let our audience know but what are they sort of the more interesting bright spots in sort of forensics these days are you saying some of the most interesting advancements in forensics that have recently been developed as the use of 3d 3d autopsies which allow scientists to autopsy the body via kind of like a big MRI machine without risking the sample or decomposing the sample by having to typically cut into them so they're able to save or preserve the the body for further testing or further use by use of the 3d autopsies and how common is that if they used it successfully in in the prosecution of cases or as it stood up to any kind of scrutiny is what I'm saying I can't see where we come from but just give it a defense lawyer a few minutes as is it past that litmus test so far at this point um three autopsies has not been used in America at this point it was developed by a group of scientists in another country I believe it was Switzerland and at this point it's still in the building stages but they have shown where it would be much more productive it would save on cost and it would also provide scientists and/or members of the court a way of showing the members of the court and the jury the autopsy in person instead of having to rely on results on a sheet of paper yes are there any because what I think there is another sort of myth is that the forensic Lee was my observation not fingerprinting because there's been a few advancements in terms of taking fingerprints off difficult sources gun part of gunpowder residue but the think the other one was the the eyewitness testimony has been luckily for that DNA has come to the rescue because now we know a lot more about eyewitness testimony and how people respond sometimes trying to recall who might be their perpetrator so I'll tell us about any one of the forensics because I know that you touch on one where we have an idea that that is inaccurate but over the years that has proven to not be an acceptable or reliable forensic tool yeah forensic psychologists have actually shown that a good portion of witnesses that have testified to a crime are not able to accurately in fully reiterate the statements that they had made which leads to false identification and this said that approximately about 1% of death row inmates are falsely executed and/or falsely convicted of a crime and a good portion of the time it is because of misidentification for witnesses now when you looked at motivation for violent crime we on this program have discussed the psychopathy person without a conscience somehow that never really developed that empathy Defra Dahmer was one of those people so don't blame my parents I just wanted to do this I just wanted to do it so what did you any conclusion that you could find on all of this research in terms of a central motivation for people that would do the heinous violent crime over and over again I firmly believe that individuals that are capable of committing these types of crimes really black a lot of self-control within their own lives and that they do tend to psychopaths themselves tend to stay away from blaming other people they do blame themselves for their own actions and that may not be because they actually believe that they committed the crime it may just be because they want to be the forefront of their own attention they don't want the attention plastered to their parents like Dahmer he got verbally angry when they tried to blame his parents for his behavior and that's because Dahmer wanted the attention on himself he didn't want the attention to be sprayed towards his parents friends work his childhood the way he grew up he wanted the attention on himself well I won't argue with that because they are you know incredibly narcissistic and ego there is an ego in terms of and I mean you know maybe Dahmer isn't the best example but there's many of his contemporaries that are great examples of guys just reveled in their crimes afterwards they loved the limelight the spotlight they really enjoyed the court cases they really performed so you'd have to agree with you there what did you find in terms of Bundy is such a complex character you know compared to some of the guys like Gacy and Dahmer he seems downright more sophisticated what did you find in terms of Bundy's central motivation because he could have got away he escaped escaped a couple times he maybe could have hidden people noted it as a compulsion but what what did you see in looking at Bundy well with Sundy he was extremely intelligent he tried to go through college for psychology and for law he did end up flunking out but it was not because he wasn't smart enough to do the work it was more because he had self doubts on himself with Bundy he could have absolutely have gotten away he escaped from prison he managed to stay away for I believe it was a two-year period before he was picked up I do believe the compulsion took over and he had to keep going he had to keep doing what he was doing to feel the control in himself he had dealt with a life of being rejected no matter which way he went whether it was parents girlfriends school he was always rejected no longer he stayed away the longer that compulsion popped up and the more he had to commit those crimes and do what he had to to feel like he was in control because he couldn't handle being out of control because he went right back to the whole rejection process did you find in looking at Bundy and then looking at less serious violent criminals such as rapists and then looking at the far less serious will say violent criminal juvenile is there some common link in behavior between do they share something those those that are capable of the most serious of crimes I do believe that mass murderers or killers rapists and even sex offenders they do tend to hold a common trait is that narcissism and their egotistical way of thinking really comes into play that prevents them from empathizing and really looking at people like they're they're human beings or that they're just the same way as they are the nurse's ism really comes out and it really takes over their way of thinking and they really find that they have to commit these crimes in order to show that they are in control that they have the control over other people and that more basically is it just comes down to okay whole thing you know what offenders they have to be in control of their victims with rapists they have to be in control of their victims serial killers you're in control of your victims and even with mass murders while they're not really out killing people they kill people all in one all at one time without taking a break they're still in control of the situation and attention is another aspect that they crave and with being in control obviously they receive the attention that they're looking for now you I agree with you and and many of the experts will as well but when you get a Bundy going back to the graves to visit the graves and commit necrophilia isn't it you know the you know I mean just in terms of I understand I just think that it almost seems like some people are beyond our comprehension of what could happen under any circumstances I understand control but you know I didn't really want to be known as a necrophile but part of his compulsion was to go back and have sex with the dead I could you know he said he could have welcome to world necrophilia simply because he felt that he needed to have control of a victim even in death it's just like Dahmer had stated that the reason why he hates some of his victims is because he felt like she then had control of the victim and that he would forever have control of the victim if he had ingested the body parts yeah and Dennis Nilsen wanted the company and Dahmer wanted the people to stay and yeah incredible and Gacy had him under his floorboards the base and I think he Dean is a very interesting example of that as well um mainly because he had to wear his victims yeah that's absolutely so through this all this research how hard was it I guess you know it's what asking somebody that's interested in this if it was you know affected them but was there anything that is there still optimism that the human that you can understand this sort of behavior and that there is some there is some hope that this kind of behavior can be reversed somehow or no with in my honest opinion um I'm not I'm not positive um I think as a race or as a society we keep we can only do so much and until I mean it really it really just comes down to until we see one another as being equals and we look at each other like we're human beings the violence is just going to continue violence has been a part of the human race since the beginning of time and if you look throughout history one thing remains the same the violence is getting worse the crimes are getting worse human beings are being dehumanized before whatever reason and it all it all comes down to the fact that everybody wants to be number one in your research you're based in the United States am I correct yes in America I know some statistics and I looked up for this interview as well America what they say is that it's hard to commit to compare violent crime in America because of the some of the the charges the official criminal charges designations and say for example in Canada what might be aggravated assault might be three different separate potential charges in Canada so they're hard to be comparable so when they do compare violent crime what they use is a more as they say reliable factor and that or factor or statistic is murder and so America has three times the murder rate of Canada and sometimes up to five times the murder rate of countries like France and Ireland and England Italy Italy yeah then you know so and in countries with a fair population to I mean America is much bigger and unless you're going to say that a big country means that means murder has to increase two or three fold or four fold um what do you attribute as the number one reason why America seems to be not seems to be factually is two or three or four times more violent than any other country in the world except South Africa which is incredible and but really it really is much more violent than almost any other country in the world why would that be I think it comes down to the Sentencing Guidelines that legislation that legislators put into play the amount of prison time that violent criminals receive in the United States is drastically declining as the crimes get worse the amount of individual spending life in prison or receiving the death penalty are drastically declining whereas a number of years ago they would receive in automatic life sentence for committing murder but now you can walk away from the murder charge with simple probation and that's where that's where it really lies they need to up the ante on the sentencing guidelines and they really need to put into place punishment for the crimes that are committed because basically Americans are no longer afraid of the justice system is there any are you going to put any weight at all because of it's we talked about this in Canada because one of the issues more than one of the conversations in Canada is that you know America is a violent place and America is out of control because of their guns and they have no gun control and it's easy access to guns six times as many handguns we'll say for example as Canadians three times as many rifles but the kind of weaponry you can buy in the US is maybe not unique or exclusive to the US but like a country like Canada then again Canada is sort of the same murder rate as France and iron anything a little bit maybe a little bit higher but I know it's a sensitive issue but luckily I'm sitting here on the other side of the border our guns part of your reason that you got to rethink some of this I mean I don't want to get into a big debate on the Constitution or you know if you have a gun and if I would have had a gun then that other guy with a gun and I would have killed that guy with a gun or protected myself from the guy with the gun but is there is it a stretch to say that guns might be part of this reason for such a violent seemingly violent society I think guns has a good portion of the reason why Americans are so violent mainly because guns are so easy to get in this country whether you're a child adult a felon it doesn't matter if the criminal wants a gun they're going to get a gun like I reside in the state of Wisconsin Wisconsin has some of the most lenient gun laws in the country um you can purchase a gun at a gun show no license no nothing and it's completely legal and with laws like that it becomes very dangerous because anybody and their brother can receive a gun from another person and it's not even being tracked so authorities don't even know that these dangerous individuals have weapons weapons are being smuggled into the country and in an alarming range such as drugs and the government doesn't step in doesn't do anything to stop the growing gun problem within our country because Americans really put their foot down and they hold to their constitution and their Amendment rights in order to bear arms to protect themselves and that's really where the problem lies so yes I do believe that the growing gun problem in our country does contribute to a lot of the growing crime in our country as well yeah I wouldn't blame the gun but I would blame the lack of regulation that just makes sense in terms of the sanity I I'm I'm not a big wave flagger here in Canada we do everything right but when you just start looking at the hard statistics it's not like if the people so while Canadians are polite we're not polite we're violent I'm living in the murder capital of Canada and trust me it's not polite here and there's murder and there's drugs you could say well there's drugs in America there's drugs here same drugs there's an mafia same mafia same gangs or same gang mentality you know a guy will kill you here for initiation probably too so so you can only attribute it to guns themselves in terms of that lack of regulation loopholes at these gun shows and you know in insane lack of regulation in terms of our guy gets you know it gets out of a nut house after ten years and still no check no background check no you can't wait three days and get this guy a gun now I know there's state to state there's differences but I would say that this is this is certainly has to be a major contributing factor is is that not to say take away guns because in this country you have the right to have guns lots of them you want to be a collector you want to shoot you want to go over to all kinds of gun add you know fans of guns hunters people that like to shoot so so that's all yeah they and I go ahead I didn't say it really comes down to the way people treat their weapons if they're going to use it or weapons appropriately use them for self defense reason for hunting collecting and stuff like that then there's no problem but when they're using them as a means of control power and to ultimately take another human's life that's when the power of gun control really needs to come into play yeah well I won't harp on that but I mean that I I know that I you know that I can't deny something like that I know it's a political hot potato big issue I mean after the send Sandy Hook massacre I mean incredible I I thought for sure that that would be your pivotal moment where there would be some movement not drastic but some that's all I thought it would happen that there would be some movement because of that event and you know didn't happen so I thought well I don't know what will be the catalyst for a change in the u.s. but I think that once it did it did come to the banning of the ar-15 in the high caliber weapons well that's all right it did it did take some of the the bigger guns out of the hands of violent criminals to an extent yeah yeah something happened from it as a result so the this book took you in how long was this entire research for this book and when did it come out and and if people are interested in this book other than Amazon where they might be able to get a copy of the book and how would they be able to contact you if they feel so inclined the actual research of the entire book took me about six years so roughly between 2009 and March of 2014 it was published on April 2nd of 2014 through lights which pressed the book can be purchased on Amazon Barnes and Noble on the light switch press website and as of right now those are the only three places to purchase it do you do you do the Facebook if people are interested in contacting you commenting giving you feedback or anything like that yes I actually have a Facebook page called true-crime with Amanda seen and that's se ATO and yeah but being visual right about this moment and so you also have another book also about forensic forensic disciplines that you published last year mine are correct I did yes I unpublished that so I could rewrite it and I integrated all that information into this book I see ok I got it ok great well I want to thank you very much for coming on and talking about violent crimes in America was very interesting conversation and very provocative book is some interesting facts about juveniles that I had no idea I thought I'd read what a bit about what was going on so interesting take that you have on some of the solutions and where we might best focus our energies at the very least if resources are limited which they are so thank you very much thank you again for inviting me Thank You Amanda been listening to Amanda Seton violent crimes in America thank you man and have a good night